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Brannon Howse: Governor Dick Lamm was the Governor, I think, until 1987 of Colorado. But I think it was in 2003 that he made this speech. I will play for you about a three-minute clip because I think it fits with what we're about to say with Todd Bensman. Listen to what the Governor of Colorado said, what's reported to be back in 2003. Now, this is a Democrat. It's a lifelong Democrat. I mean, this is what you would love to have Democrats like this today. Listen to this. (Video Clip Playing)
Former Governor Dick Lamm: I would like to share with you my plan to destroy America. Number one, I'd make it a bilingual, bicultural country. History shows us that no bilingual, bicultural country lives at peace with itself. There's not one, I believe, that doesn't exist with an incredible amount of tension and conflict if not civil war.
My second part of my plan would be to invent something called multiculturalism. This would be two parts. Number one, I would say that all cultures are created equal. It would make no difference and make it impossible to talk about such things as culture. And the second one is that I would really try very hard to make people continue their cultural identity.
My third part of my plan would be to make the fastest-growing demographic group in that country the least educated. I would add a second underclass to the first underclass on assimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic. And then I'd have 50% of them drop out of school, not graduate from high school.
The fourth part of my plan would be to get the big foundations to fund and big businesses to fund these efforts with lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity and victimology. I would get them to think about their lack of success was only the fault of the majority.
My fifth part of my plan is I would develop dual citizenship. I would promise people actually divided loyalties.
My sixth part and this is important. I would place all of these subjects off-limits. I would make it taboo to talk about actually or criticize this whole thing. I would make it come up with a word like heretic used to be 200 years ago. Let's say we'd call it racist. And I would try to accuse anybody of this. That would object to my ideas.
My seventh part, I would make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra, let's call it this, that because immigration has been good in the past for America, it will continue to be good in the future.
Brannon Howse: Wow, folks. A Democrat governor, former Governor of Colorado. He gave that speech, I believe, in 2003. He ceased to be Governor after I think he was Governor for 12 years in Colorado until 1987. I believe that's a 2003 speech. Pretty powerful, isn't it? How his plan for how he would destroy America. He didn't want to destroy America. He was just saying if you're going to do it, here's how you would do it. Right? It was 2003. Look at what's happening now. He's since passed away. Joining me now is Todd Bensman. Todd, welcome to the broadcast. Thanks for joining us.
Todd Bensman: Good to be here.
Brannon Howse: Have you ever heard that before that speech?
Todd Bensman: No.
Brannon Howse: Pretty powerful.
Todd Bensman: Yeah. Pretty powerful.
Brannon Howse: Well, I called you today, and you had literally just walked in the door from being in Liberty County, Texas. Correct?
Todd Bensman: That's right. Liberty County is about I'd say 40 miles northeast of Houston if you can kind of picture Houston on the map. It's low, kind of boggy, swamp country with forest, lots of pine forests.
Brannon Howse: I called you today just as I do a lot of our guests since I hadn't talked to you in a couple of weeks asking if you have any updates? You just walked in the door from Liberty County, and you started telling me about it. I said, “Well, it sounds like that's a harbinger of things to come once Title 42 is lifted, which it looks like it's going to be in the next couple of weeks.” You said, “That's exactly why you went down there.” Is that right? You wanted to look? What it's looking like, is a harbinger?
Todd Bensman: Right. Well, you usually have me down on the border in the middle of a bunch of immigrants coming over. But we don't really think too much more beyond that once they cross. Where do they end up? Where do they go? What's the impact on the country? If we've got 1.3 million that we know, the Biden administration paroled in, and another 650,000 that got away. Who got in? You know, there's 2 million right there just in one year that is actually in the country, not pushed back under Title 42.
So where are they going? What's going to happen with them? Liberty County is a great example of what happens with people who cross the border illegally and get in. In Liberty County, we have a kind of enclosed laboratory circumstance where we can study about what happens there. A very vast Colonia has sprung up of about 35 square miles of that piney bog land forest that I told you about in that area that has been parceled up and sold to about 75,000 illegal immigrants. It's a colony of illegal immigrants.
Brannon Howse: And that's the footage you took, right? (Video Clip Playing)
Todd Bensman: Yes, I shot that yesterday evening. That's in the middle of the Colonia. That's what it looks like there. There's a land baron out there who is selling parcels of land directly to illegal immigrants who tell me that they can't buy land or a house anywhere in the country because they're illegal. They don't have credit. They don't have driver's licenses. But this guy is selling directly to the migrants, and he's not asking for credit. He's not asking for driver's licenses. He's not asking for anything more than $500 down and a 13% interest rate on these. You can build any house you want in Liberty County, in the Plum Grove area.
Brannon Howse: So how did you find all this out?
Todd Bensman: Well, I have a friend, a police officer who lives in the area, who about a year ago called me up telling me about this place. He's like, you can't believe what's happening out there. There are tens of thousands of illegal immigrants moving in. So, this has been happening for some years now, probably since about 2016, 2017, that the landowners started offering these deals. They are attracting illegal immigrants from all over the country.
Brannon Howse: Wait a minute. Does that say Cuba?
Todd Bensman: Yeah. I've met lots of Cubans, there's El Salvadorans, there are Nicaraguans. There are people from all over Latin America, Venezuelans, and people coming off the border right now are being trafficked through these neighborhoods. Then there is work to be had in Houston. Cheap labor, low labor, skilled work, lots of it in Houston. It's inexpensive to live in this community, in Plum Grove and nobody does enforcement there.
There's no ICE. Nobody's asking any questions. The old residents of Plum Grove are furious over this. Their school district has doubled in size, more than double in size, about 130%. They're all illegal immigrant kids. Nobody speaks English. The school district is having to do bond election after bond election after bond election in order to pay.
Brannon Howse: Which means everybody's taxes are going up to pay for all these illegal students.
Todd Bensman: Yes, taxes are going up. They call themselves, the people that were living there, "the originals." Plum Grove was a community of about 600 people up until seven or eight years ago. Now there are 70,000 non-English-speaking illegals living in their community.
Brannon Howse: Can you repeat what you just said? So, we make sure we heard that right.
Todd Bensman: Well, yeah. I mean, this was a community of about 600 - 700 people who have lived there generationally. Their forefathers and ancestors settled this land back in the 1800s. It's always been a very small, close-knit community. Now, there are just tens of thousands of these illegal immigrants living here.
Brannon Howse: Did you say as high as 70,000 of them?
Todd Bensman: Yeah, I think there's more.
Brannon Howse: Living in this county?
Todd Bensman: In Liberty County. Yeah.
Brannon Howse: How's the infrastructure handling that?
Todd Bensman: It's a wreck. It's a total wreck. I mean, first of all, this was forest land. Very, very thick forest land that was all chopped down. It has been just razed to the ground, and the strips of three-quarter-acre lots are going in. They built channels for drainage.
Brannon Howse: I saw that. So, is that their sewage?
Todd Bensman: Initially, their sewage was just running into the bayous in the area until there was enough of an uproar a few years ago that now the developer has to bring in a sewage line, but it's still up to the homeowner to hook it up. They don't all hook them up. It costs money to hook those up. There's electricity. But the homeowner has to dig the line and hook up the electricity. It's all kind of do-it-yourself out there. That's why you see all these different kinds of things. There's no code enforcement, there's no homeowner’s association. There's nothing like that.
Brannon Howse: Where is the Governor of the State of Texas? What is he doing?
Todd Bensman: I don't know that the Governor is aware of this. I have no idea.
Brannon Howse: How can you have 70,000 illegals go into a county in your state, and you don't know about it?
Todd Bensman: I mean, listen. To me, it's a federal issue. Where's ICE? I mean, we know under Biden there's no enforcement. But a lot of these people came under Trump, and there should have been enforcement. But what I'm told is the reason we are coming here is because nobody bothers us here. ICE leaves us alone here. The sheriff leaves us alone. The local police leave us alone, and we get to work and live and put our kids in the school district.
Brannon Howse: That the taxpayers pay for. So, they are basically on a lot of welfare paid for by the forced taxation of the people of the country and that county and that state. And they are taking advantage of those services, which I think is theft.
Todd Bensman: Well, you know, under federal law, there was a Supreme Court ruling years ago in the early nineties reaffirming that a school district cannot refuse a child that shows up on the door no matter where they're from. I interviewed the school superintendent yesterday for about two hours, and he was lamenting about how they can't keep their heads above water.
Brannon Howse: Was he willing to talk to you on the record?
Todd Bensman: Yeah.
Brannon Howse: He's not afraid of being called a racist? I mean, I think everybody's probably staying away from this issue. The sheriff, the police, because of what we just heard from former Governor of Colorado, Dick Lamm. If you'd go after and talk about these issues, you're a racist. So, I would venture to guess that narrative in the culture is causing a lot of people to say, “I'm not going to touch this.”
Todd Bensman: Well, there is a battle royale out there between what they call the Originals. The Originals call themselves the Originals, which are the sons and daughters of people that have lived in Plum Grove their whole lives. The landowner, I'm going to call him, a developer who is also an Original. But he figured out that there is this market for property ownership among illegals. So, he has come up with this development, and it succeeded, and they are battling each other over the infrastructure.
Brannon Howse: And the county never stepped in and put a stop to it and said, "You can't do this. It's not code. It's not the infrastructure. You can't do this, dude."
Todd Bensman: What happened was the Colonia de annexed from Plum Grove. Which the people of Plum Grove were happy about because their infrastructure was just crumbling under this. I mean, the traffic, it takes about an hour to go three miles over there, anywhere. It's just the traffic every single day is just unbelievable. It's worse than LA or Houston or something.
Brannon Howse: I wonder how many of them have insurance. So, if they run you over with their car, how many of them have insurance to pay for the damage they did to your car?
Todd Bensman: I've interviewed local police and the sheriff and state police in the area, and very few people have insurance. Most of the vehicles that I saw have paper tags on them because this is a scam to end run the requirement that you have to have a Texas driver's license in order to get a license plate on your vehicle. But you don't need one to buy the vehicle and get a temporary paper one, and you can renew it and renew it and renew it. And so, everybody has these paper tags for license plates, and a great many of them do not have insurance. They get cited for it. And I interviewed an illegal Mexican who lives there and does all this.
He says, "I've been cited probably four times. I don't fight it. I pay $400 in fines, and they let me go. And I just keep doing it. If I fight it or have any kind of a problem, I'll be outed as an illegal and they'll cite me for other things." I think Liberty County, from everything that I've learned, is not upset about this because they are generating some taxation revenue. It was a very, very poor county before, and now they're generating revenue, but it doesn't seem like they're reinvesting it in infrastructure.
Brannon Howse: Where are they getting the revenue from? From the government?
Todd Bensman: They get revenue by the rooftops out there so the illegals are paying some amount of county taxes.
Brannon Howse: So, they are paying some taxes then?
Todd Bensman: Yes, they are on their property. They're paying taxes, but it's not enough. So, the school district, for example, has had three bond elections to keep up. Four, I'm sorry. Three of them passed, and the last one didn't because the people were just fed up with having to pay for illegal immigrant schooling. So, they rejected the last one.
Now the superintendent is saying, 'Hey, we're burning through our savings account basically. At this point in a year or two, we're going to have to start laying teachers off because we can't sustain this." They're in a deficit spending situation. They’ve had to bring in all of these temporary classrooms. You know those portable classrooms?
Brannon Howse: Yeah.
Todd Bensman: They're huge. Each one of them costs $500,000 or $600,000. Every school has a whole back 40 filled with these things. The schools are completely overrun. Every single one of them is overrun.
Brannon Howse: What is the crime like?
Todd Bensman: I have a request in for records on the crime, but anecdotally, local police are telling me it's terrible. It's not necessarily the amount of crime. It's the kind of crime. You know, child rape, fathers murdering sons, sons murdering mothers. Really bizarre sort of domestic violence scenarios. Lots of drug trafficking. There are two cartels that operate here. One is the Sinaloa cartel, which is actually on the California, Arizona side. The other one is the Gulf Cartel.
They operate mainly stash houses. All those videos I'm showing you of those different kinds of housing. Well, there is a share of those that are controlled by the Mexican mafia, the cartels, and they're moving people and drugs through there. So, the border crisis that's happening right now, when those guys get past the Border Patrol, they get moved often into this Colonia for safekeeping. Nobody bothers them there. The houses are wide open, nobodies knocking on doors.
Nobody's doing investigations or anything like that. So, the cartels are finding this to be lucrative, is what I'm told. So, the sheriff's department has four dedicated deputies that are dedicated to this huge 35 square mile colony. I keep getting different numbers. It's anywhere from 50,000 to 100,000 people that are in there. I drove for miles and miles, just watching them bulldoze land for miles and miles. I never got to the end of it. I just ran out of time.
Brannon Howse: Are they bulldozing the trees and everything to offer up more lots for sale like this?
Todd Bensman: Yes.
Brannon Howse: Is there more than one guy doing this? Are there multiple people now who have figured this out?
Todd Bensman: It's one guy.
Brannon Howse: So, he owned that much land, or he just keeps buying up more and more.
Todd Bensman: He's buying up more and more. The land was owned by forestry companies that plant pines, and they wait 30 years, and then they cut. You know, sustained yield. Well, those lumber companies are selling him this land. I don't have the full story on that. But one local who has been investigating this told me yesterday that land was held by a RET, a real estate investment corporation that was holding that land for Harvard University, Cambridge, Pepperdine, and some of the big university endowments. That was their land, and they agreed to liquidate big chunks to this guy. I don't have the whole story behind that. I don't know if that's verified.
Brannon Howse: You're going to go do research on that?
Todd Bensman: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Brannon Howse: So, what is he getting? How big is the lot that he sells? How much is he selling it for? And then it's 13% interest?
Todd Bensman: Each lot is about three-quarters of an acre. They are these kinds of rectangular square lots. They are in long rows. They sell them in long rows, and it's about $300 down, plus some fees. By the time you're done, it's about $500. Then you can get a 20-year loan or a 30, 40, or 50-year loan, however long you need or want. But you're going to pay extremely high-interest rates and part of the game is…
Brannon Howse: Let me tell you what I bet the game is. Just a guess. The game is when they don't make their payment, he takes it from them, and he flips it and does the whole $500 upfront and everything to someone else. So, he's selling the same piece of land over and over and over and over to different people.
Todd Bensman: Yes, there is an extremely high foreclosure rate in this area and in Liberty County and that's what's happening. If somebody gets deported, for example, they're not going to be able to make their payments and it is in the contract that you have to forfeit it. I had a Mexican family take me into their house and show me their mortgage papers. I studied them. I saw, just like he said, it's a 13% interest on his property. He bought it for $66,000, and then he had to buy his trailer and have it put on the property.
That was another $40,000 or $50,000, which is a separate loan to somebody else. In this case, it was through his brother who has LPR status, lawful permanent resident status, and has credit and can do that. But that's how it all works. Everybody just kind of helps each other to just kind of live there so that they can live the kind of the American dream and in relative peace and harmony, and nobody's bothering them out there. But this is what happens.
Brannon Howse: The point of bringing you on is to show that Liberty County is kind of a bellwether of what's going to happen in other counties in America.
Todd Bensman: Yes.
Brannon Howse: By the way, can you imagine this happening in your county? We have areas here in the Mid-South where you are kind of out in a rural area, but up pops a really nice neighborhood, and it might be five-acre lots with really nice $500,000 - $600,000 homes on these five-acre lots. They're all HOA. They're well-groomed. It's people that didn't want to live too close to the town, so they move out, but they don't want to live in the country and maintain fence lines and all that.
So, somebody developed a beautiful neighborhood, five-acre lots, big houses. You know, HOA. It’s beautiful. But when you drive out of the neighborhood, you're in the country. So, if somebody starts selling off this land and doing that and the county that would be in doesn't stop it. Can you imagine what that would do to your property values?
Todd Bensman: Well, that's exactly right. You know, I spent a lot of time over the last couple of days talking to the “Originals," that's what they call themselves, “I go all the way back to my mammy and my pappy.” I mean, it's like that out there. But they're leaving. They're selling out. They're moving. They're getting away. The traffic, the crime, the noise. They took away all their hunting grounds. One of their big complaints is this was our hunting lease. All our hunting leases are cut down. It used to be so beautiful out here. Now it's just this terrible blight.
Brannon Howse: Tell us, tell our audience, where is Liberty County, Texas? Where would it be on the map? Maybe I can actually look it up.
Todd Bensman: So, take a look at Houston. Northeast of Houston is Liberty County, probably about 30 or 40 miles to the county line. You'll see Montgomery County. There's a little bit of this happening in Montgomery County, too.
Brannon Howse: Well, they're claiming it's a population of 91,628, according to Wikipedia.
Todd Bensman: Yeah. I don't know how up to date that is.
Brannon Howse: Does that look like where you were at, Todd?
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Todd Bensman: Let me see. Yeah, that's about where it is. It's kind of over there, and Liberty County is it was a very poor and rural county. People ranch out there. They farm. The school district was about 4,000 students. Cleveland Independent School District had about 4,000 students until this happened. Now they're at 11,500 students. They have far more than doubled, 150%. When you look at the enrollments by race, they do provide it by race; 87% are Hispanic. So, the superintendent explained that most of them don't speak any English when they come in.
Quite a few of them have never even been to school before. So, they don't even know how to read in their own language. They really have to struggle with this new population in that school district. The people that were in that school district are leaving. Many of them are homeschooling or just moving to get away from it, as you can imagine. Now, the thing about the border crisis, why this kind of matters is because the border crisis that we are having right now, I mean, it's a catastrophe in the epic size of this thing. It's broken every record on the American books.
It's predominantly families with young children. That is the demographic makeup. As they spread across the United States, as they are bussed and flown by the government to cities across the United States, they are going to enroll their kids in school. So that is the first place that the average American will be able to feel this and see this. They'll see it in their tax rate. They'll see it in class when they have to have a bilingual teacher slow everything down.
Brannon Howse: Oh, yeah.
Todd Bensman: They'll see it when they have bond elections to raise money for these temporary classrooms that are really permanent and to build new schools and all of the rest of that sort of thing. If you look at your local newspaper and you see your school district asking for a bond election, if you just look a little bit deeper, you'll probably see these kids being the cause of that enrolled into your school.
Brannon Howse: Wow. Well, it's a harbinger of things to come. In closing, tell me this, is Title 42 slated to be lifted, or what's going to happen?
Todd Bensman: I'm a few days out of sync with the news. The last I heard is that there was an injunction out of Louisiana. It was a temporary injunction. The question was whether they were going to make it a permanent injunction. Which might push it out for the litigation to continue, and there are 20 other states that are suing too. There are all kinds of litigation here. So, the odds of it actually lifting on time or, I think, are kind of low.
Brannon Howse: That's good.
Todd Bensman: We'll see. But it's not good because it's just a matter of time before they have to lift the thing anyway. It was never intended to be permanent. It's not a permanent policy. It was for the pandemic. So, they're going to have to eventually lift this thing unless they can push it out long enough for Congress to legislate. There are bills written that mimic it and make it a legislative to put it into statute. I don't think that's got a chance in heck of happening under the current scenario. But maybe in November, or after November, they might be able to do something.
Brannon Howse: Wow. Toddbensman.com. He also writes over at CIS.org. Thank you for the update. I guess we probably got a breaking story with you tonight, right?
Todd Bensman: Well, I haven't written this yet. So, I'm still kind of reporting it, too. There's a lot to be done.
Brannon Howse: Thank you for what you're doing. Appreciate your being a guy that's trying to warn us about what's coming, and maybe we can stop it. But I hope you will check out his book, America's Covert Border War. You can get it on Amazon. He's also working on a new book that we're excited to see and promote when it comes out. But in the meantime, you'll find him at CIS.Org and toddbensman.com. Todd, thank you so much.
Todd Bensman: Thanks for having me.
Brannon Howse: Thank you.